Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

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Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

Postby Deus_Vult on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:05 pm

the Koran is plagiarized from a bunch of spurious Christian tales many of which were heretical, i can prove it too. The denial of the crucifixion, belief that mary is in the trinity and gabriel is the holy spirirt comes from various Gnostic sects. Every tale i n the roan about Jesus' infancy come from various spurious nativity gospels, the companions of the cave come from a 5th century Christian myth called the 7 sleepers of Ephesus about Christians being persecuted by the roman emperor and hiding in a cave where they slept for 200 years. Even the Islamic heaven jannah comes from some 4th century syriac hymns . My post is long but i suggest that everyone who wishes to learn the truth about the quean read it


The Gnostic influence:

I shall start by examining Gnosticism and it’s influence upon Islam. In the Koran we read

Surah 4.156-57:

"And for their saying, 'Verily we have slain the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, an Apostle of God.' Yet they slew him not, and they crucified him not, but they had only his likeness. And they who differed about him were in doubt concerning him: No sure knowledge had they about him, but followed only an opinion, and they did not really slay him, but God took him up to Himself. And God is Mighty, Wise!"

This is plagiarized from the Gnostic idea of the crucifixion. The Gnostics were an early Christian sect deemed heretical. The main Gnostic idea of doectism was that our physical existence was evil and only the spirit was good. They believed that Jesus was completely god in the spirit from but just appeared in human form just as an illusion. Hence they held that since Jesus held no physical form he could not be crucified. According to the Gnostics when the Romans went to crucify him he was transfigured and watched on laughing as they crucified Simon of Cyrene.

The Second Treatise of Great Seth (dating from the 2nd century)

“Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance


The Gnostic Apocolypse of peter (dating from the 2nd century.. not to be confused with the Apocalypse of Peter which is not agnostic text)


“when he said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said "What do I see, O Lord, that it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?"The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But thisone into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."
But I, when I had looked, said "Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place."
But he said to me, "I have told you, "Leave the blind alone!". And you, see how they do not know what theyare saying. For the son of their glory instead of my servant, they have put to shame."And I saw someone about to approach us resembling him, even him who was laughing on the tree.And he was filled with a Holy Spirit, and he is the Savior. And there was a great, ineffable light around them,and the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them. And when I looked at him, the one who gives praise was revealed.And he said to me, "Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know themthrough revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel,in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking those who did him violence,while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one suspectible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute.But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light.He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Pleroma , which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit."


The Acts of John (dating from the 2nd century)

”101 Nothing, therefore, of the things which they will say of me have I suffered: nay, that suffering also which I showed unto thee and the rest in the dance, I will that it be called a mystery. For what thou art, thou seest, for I showed it thee; but what I am I alone know, and no man else. Suffer me then to keep that which is mine, and that which is thine behold thou through me, and behold me in truth, that I am, not what I said, but what thou art able to know, because thou art akin thereto. Thou hearest that I suffered, yet did I not suffer; that I suffered not, yet did I suffer; that I was pierced, yet I was not smitten; hanged, and I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me, and it flowed not; and, in a word, what they say of me, that befell me not, but what they say not, that did I suffer. Now what those things are I signify unto thee, for I know that thou wilt understand. Perceive thou therefore in me the praising (al. slaying al. rest) of the (or a) Word (Logos), the piercing of the Word, the blood of the Word, the wound of the Word, the hanging up of the Word, the suffering of the Word, the nailing (fixing) of the Word, the death of the Word. And so speak I, separating off the manhood. Perceive thou therefore in the first place of the Word; then shalt thou perceive the Lord, and in the third place the man, and what he hath suffered.

102 When he had spoken unto me these things, and others which I know not how to say as he would have me, he was taken up, no one of the multitudes having beheld him. And when I went down I laughed them all to scorn, inasmuch as he had told me the things which they have said concerning him; holding fast this one thing in myself, that the Lord contrived all things symbolically and by a dispensation toward men, for their conversion and salvation. “

This concept of jesus not being crucified was first taught by the Gnostic teacher Basilides. Iraneus in his work, against the heresies further describes this Gnostic teaching which made its way into the Koran.

“in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all….. If any one, therefore, he declares, confesses the crucified, that man is still a slave, and under the power of those who formed our bodies; but he who denies him has been freed from these beings, and is acquainted with the dispensation of the unborn father.”

So it is clear that Mohammad appropriated this idea of Jesus being replaced on the cross from Gnosticism.


the koran says that jibril is the holy spirirt this is also taken from gnosticism as the gnostics very closelsy associated the holy spirirt and gabriel

Zostrianos (2nd century)
The invisible Spirit is a psychic and intellectual power, a knower and a fore-knower. Therefore he is with Gabriel the spirit-giver [so that] when he gives a holy spirit he might seal him with the crown and crown him, having gods


Against the heresies irraneus (180ad)

CHAP. xv.-
3. As to the AEons, they proceeded from the Tetrad, and in that Tetrad were Anthropos and Ecclesia, Logos and Zoe. The powers, then, he declares, who emanated from these, generated that Jesus who appeared upon the earth. The angel Gabriel took the place of Logos, the Holy Spirit that of Zoe, the Power of the Highest that of Anthropos, while the Virgin pointed out the place of Ecclesia. And thus, by a special dispensation, there was generated by Him, through Mary, that man, whom, as He passed through the womb, the Father of all chose to [obtain] the knowledge of Himself by means of the Word

hyppolitus refutation of all the heresies
CHAP. XLVI.
But concerning the creation of this (Jesus), he expresses himself thus: That powers emanating from the second tetrad fashioned Jesus, who appeared on earth, and that the angel Gabriel filled the place of the Logos, and the Holy Spirit that of Zoe, and the "Power of the Highest" that of Anthropos, and the Virgin that of Ecclesia

so the gnostics clearly beleived that gabriel was closelsy associated with the holy spirirt which is where mohamamd got the idea from.


the kroan also talks about mary as if she is part of the trinity when it condemns it. this is another gnostic idea.


Gospel of the egyptians
Three powers came forth from him; they are the Father, the Mother, (and) the Son, from the living silence, what came forth from the incorruptible Father. These came forth from the silence of the unknown Father.


The second ogdoad-power, the Mother, the virginal Barbelon, epititioch[...]ai, memeneaimen[...], who presides over the heaven, karb[...], the uninterpretable power, the ineffable Mother. She originated from herself [...]; she came forth; she agreed with the Father of the silent silence.


gospel according to the Hebrews

Saviour himself saith, 'Even now did my mother the Holy Spirit take me by one of mine hairs, and carried me away unto the great mountain Thabor', he will be perplexed, &c

It is clear that the koran plagiarised many of its ideas from gnsoticism which is a 2nd century heresy and not authetic to the teachings of Jesus (since the canonical gospels are by far the earliest). If Muslims accept these doctrines which made their way into their Koran they also have to accept Jesus being all divine and not human (the reason Gnostics denied the crucifixion), docetism, dualism, polytheism (some Gnostics believed in 30 gods), aeons and lumanries. Muslims have to accept all elements of Gnostic theology as being from Allah yet I doubt any Muslim is willing to do that. Islam is just a Christian heresy
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Re: Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

Postby Deus_Vult on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:06 pm

The New testament Apocrypha:

The Koran Plagiarizes many tales about Jesus and Mary straight from the apocryphal gospels. The New Testament Apocrypha for those who don’t know is a collection of extracanonical Christian writings that did not make their way into the bible because they were heretical, spurious or were unimportant.


Surah Al-Maeda 5:110

"Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers,"


Surah Al-E-Imran 3:49

"...I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave


This is plagiarised from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas vol. 1, p. 444 (written between 80-185 AD)


II. 1 This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the waters that flowed there into pools, and made them straightway clean, and commanded them by his word alone. 2 And having made soft clay, he fashioned thereof twelve sparrows. And it was the Sabbath when he did these things (or made them). And there were also many other little children playing with him. 3 And a certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed straightway and told his father Joseph: Lo, thy child is at the brook, and he hath taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and hath polluted the Sabbath day. 4 And Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Wherefore doest thou these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping. 5 And when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do.

Surah Al-E-Imran 3:46

" He (Jesus) will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous. "


In Surah Maryam 19:29-30

" But she (Mary) pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?. He (Jesus) said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet"



The Arabic Gospel of The Infancy of The Saviour. (This Gospel is believed by scholars to have originally been written in Aramaic by the Christian communities throughout the Levant, the gospel became very popular in Arabia which is how it acquired its name but it is not Arab in origin. Many scholars believe this gospel dates from the 5th and 6th centuries but due to its damaging nature Muslim scholars contend that its post Islamic)


1. We find (1) what follows in the book of Joseph the high priest, who lived in the time of Christ. Some say that he is Caiaphas. (2) He has said that Jesus spoke, and, indeed, when He was lying in His cradle said to Mary His mother: I am Jesus, the Son of God, the Logos, whom thou hast brought forth, as the Angel Gabriel announced to thee; and my Father has sent me for the salvation of the world.

Mohammad changed the original Jesus from saying that he is the Logos, the Son of god to a prophet of Allah. Mohammad took the tale but twisted it to suit his own ends



Surah Al-E-Imran 3:37

And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had foodHe said: O Mary! Whence cometh unto thee this (food)? She answered: It is from Allah. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will"


Protevangelium of James aka Gospel of James ( written between 140-170 AD)
VI. 1 And she made a sanctuary in her bed chamber and suffered nothing common or unclean to pass through it. And she called for the daughters of the Hebrews that were undefiled, and they carried her hither and thither.
VIII. 1 And her parents gat them down marveling, and praising the Lord God because tile child was not turned away backward.
And Mary was in the temple of the Lord as a dove that is nurtured: and she received food from the hand of an angel.


Surah Al-E-Imran 3:44

This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

Protevangelium of James aka Gospel of James (140-170 AD)

XIII 3 And the high priest took the vestment with the twelve bells and went in unto the Holy of Holies and prayed concerning her. And lo, an angel of tile Lord appeared saying unto him: Zacharias, Zacharias~ go forth and assemble them that are widowers of the people, and let them bring every man a rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. And the heralds went forth over all the country round about Judaea, and the trumpet of the Lord sounded, and all men ran thereto.
IX. 1 And Joseph cast down his adze and ran to meet them, and when they were gathered together they went to the high priest and took their rods with them. And he took the rods of them all and went into the temple and prayed. And when he had finished the prayer he took the rods and went forth and gave them back to them: and there was no sign upon them. But Joseph received the last rod: and 1o, a dove came forth of the rod and flew upon the bead of Joseph. And the priest said unto Joseph: Unto thee hath it fallen to take the virgin of the Lord and keep her for thyself.


The Gospel of The Nativity of Mary
CHAP. 8.--Now there was among the rest Joseph, of the house and family of David, a man of great age: and when all brought there rods, according to the order, he alone withheld his. Wherefore, when nothing in conformity with the divine voice appeared, the high priest thought it necessary to consult God a second time; and He answered, that of those who had been designated, he alone to whom the virgin ought to be espoused had not brought his rod. Joseph, therefore, was found out. For when he had brought his rod, and the dove came from heaven; and settled upon the top of it, it clearly appeared to all that he was the man to whom the virgin should be espoused. Therefore, the usual ceremonies of betrothal having been gone through, he went back to the city of Bethlehem to put his house in order, and to procure things necessary for the marriage. But Mary, the virgin of the Lord, with seven other virgins of her own age, and who had been weaned at the same time, whom she had received from the priest, returned to the house of her parents in Galilee.

The History of Joseph the Carpenter
3. Now when righteous Joseph became a widower, my mother Mary, blessed, holy, and pure, was already twelve years old. For her parents offered her in the temple when she was three years of age, and she remained in the temple of the Lord nine years. Then when the priests saw that the virgin, holy and God-fearing, was growing up, they spoke to each other, saying: Let us search out a man, righteous and pious, to whom Mary may be entrusted until the time of her marriage; lest, if she remain in the temple, it happen to her as is wont to happen to women, and lest on that account we sin, and God be angry with us.4. Therefore they immediately sent out, and assembled twelve old men of the tribe of Judah. And they wrote down the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. And the lot fell upon the pious old man, righteous Joseph. Then the priests answered, and said to my blessed mother: Go with Joseph, and be with him till the time of your marriage. Righteous Joseph therefore received my mother, and led her away to his own house

Surah Maryam 19:23-26

"023. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!. 24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet (stream) beneath thee; 25. And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.26. So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"


The Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (written between the 5th and 6th centuries)

CHAP. 20.-- And it came to pass on the third day of their journey, while they were walking, that the blessed Mary was fatigued by the excessive heat of the sun in the desert; and seeing a palm tree, she said to Joseph: Let me rest a little under the shade of this tree. Joseph therefore made haste, and led her to the palm, and made her come down from her beast. And as the blessed Mary was sitting there, she looked up to the foliage of the palm, and saw it full of fruit, and said to Joseph: I wish it were possible to get some of the fruit of this palm. And Joseph said to her: I wonder that thou sayest this, when thou seest how high the palm tree is; and that thou thinkest of eating of its fruit. I am thinking more of the want of water, because the skins are now empty, and we have none wherewith to refresh ourselves and our cattle. Then the child Jesus, with a joyful countenance, reposing in the bosom of His mother, said to the palm: O tree, bend thy branches, and refresh my mother with thy fruit. And immediately at these words the palm bent its top down to the very feet of the blessed Mary; and they gathered from it fruit, with which they were all refreshed. And after they had gathered all its fruit, it remained bent down, waiting the order to rise from Him who bad commanded it to stoop. Then Jesus said to it: Raise thyself, O palm tree, and be strong, and be the companion of my trees, which are in the paradise of my Father; and open from thy roots a vein of water which has been hid in the earth, and let the waters flow, so that we may be satisfied from thee. And it rose up immediately, and at its root there began to come forth a spring of water exceedingly clear and cool and sparkling. And when they saw the spring of water, they rejoiced with great joy, and were satisfied, themselves and all their cattle and their beasts. Wherefore they gave thanks to God.

Surah Al-E-Imran 3:35-36

" 0.35. Behold! a woman of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things. 036. When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary"


Protevangelium of James aka Gospel of James (140-170 AD)

IV. 1 And behold an angel of the Lord appeared, saying unto her: Anna, Anna, the Lord hath hearkened unto thy prayer, and thou shalt conceive and bear, and thy seed shall be spoken of in the whole world. And Anna said: As the Lord my God liveth, if I bring forth either male or female, I will bring it for a gift unto the Lord my God, and it shall be ministering unto him all the days of its life.
2 And her months were fulfilled, and in the ninth month Anna brought forth. And she said unto the midwife: what have I brought forth ? And she said: A female. And Anna said: My soul is magnified this day, and she laid herself down. And when the days were fulfilled, Anna purified herself and gave suck to the child and called her name Mary.
Almost every story in the kroan about Jesus and Mary is plagiarized directly from these apocryphal gospels
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Re: Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

Postby Deus_Vult on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:12 pm

Jannah:

In the Koran we read of Jannah (heaven)


Surah 2 al-Baqara

"25. But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness that their portion is Gardens beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom they say: "Why this is what we were fed with before" for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions (pure and holy); and they abide therein (for ever)."


"133. Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth prepared for the righteous"


Surah 3 Aali Imran

15. Say: shall I give you glad tidings of things far better than those? For the righteous are Gardens in nearness to their Lord with rivers flowing beneath; Therein is their eternal home; with spouses purified and the good pleasure of Allah, for in Allah's sight are (all) His servants


Surah 4 an-Nisaa

57. But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness We shall soon admit to gardens with rivers flowing beneath their eternal home: therein shall they have companions pure and holy: We shall admit them to shades cool and ever deepening.

Surah 9 at-Tawbah

72. Allah hath promised to believers men and women gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss in the Good Pleasure of Allah: that is the supreme felicity.


Surah 13 ar-Ra'd

23. Gardens of perpetual bliss: they shall enter there as well as the righteous among their fathers their spouses and their offspring: and angels shall enter unto them from every gate (with the salutation):

35. The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised! beneath if flow rivers: perpetual is the enjoyment thereof and the shade therein: such is the End of the Righteous; and the End of Unbelievers is the Fire.

Surah 14 Ibrahim

23. But those who believe and work righteousness will be admitted to Gardens beneath which rivers flow to dwell therein for aye with the leave of their Lord: their greeting therein will be: "Peace

Surah: 15. al-Hijr

45. The righteous (will be) amid Gardens and fountains (of clear-flowing water).

Surah: 16. an-Nahl

31. Gardens of Eternity which they will enter: beneath them flow (pleasant) rivers: they will have therein all that they wish: thus doth Allah reward the righteous

Surah 44 ad-Dukhaan
51. As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security
52. Among Gardens and Springs;

Surah: 47. Muhammed (salla Allhu alaihi wa sallam)

15. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible: rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire and be given to drink boiling water so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?


Surah 55 ar-Rahman

46. But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord there will be two Gardens
47. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
48. Containing all kinds (of trees and delights)
49. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
50. In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);
51. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
52. In them will be Fruits of every kind two and two.
53. Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?
54. They will recline on Carpets whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be ranged for the hand to pick


Surah 76 al-Insaan

5. As to the Righteous they shall drink of a Cup (of Wine) mixed with Kafur 6. A Fountain where the Devotees of Allah do drink making it flow in unstinted abundance
14. And the shades of the (Garden) will come low over them and the bunches (of fruit) there will hang low in humility
17. And they will be given to drink there of a Cup (of Wine) mixed with Zanjabil
18. A fountain there called Salsabil. 19. And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): if thou seest them thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls


Surah 77 al-Mursalaat

41. As to the righteous, they shall be amidst (cool) shades and springs (of water)
42. And (they shall have) fruits, -all they desire.

Surah 78 an-Naba'

31. Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the Heart's) desires;
32. Gardens enclosed and Grape-vines;


Surah: 83. at-Tatfeef
25. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed

The Koran’s Heaven is plagiarized from a cycle of Christian hymns called “Hymns on Paradise” which were written by the 4th Century Christian Saint, St Ephrem the Syrian. St Ephrem writing 300 years before Mohammad describes heaven as a garden full of trees under which the faithful recline and pick fruit ranged for the hand to pick. The inhabitants of heaven drink wine and like the Koran it says that those who don’t drink wine on earth will drink it in heaven. It talks about the exalted status of Martyrs and describes fountains and springs. Also rivers of wine, milk and honey.

Hymn II
"8. Who is capable of gazing upon the Gardens splendor, seeing how glorious it is in all its design, how harmonious in its proportions, how spacious for those who dwell there, how radiant with its abodes? Its fountains delight with their fragrance"


Hymn VI
"11. The diligent carry their own fruits and now run forward to meet Paradise as it exults with every sort of fruit. They enter that Garden with glorious deeds and it sees that the fruits of the just surpass in their excellence the fruits of its own trees, and that the adornment of the victorious outrival its own. 12. Happy indeed is the person accounted worthy to behold in Paradise the glorious fruits of the trees."


Hymn VII
"3. Bear up, O life of mourning, so that you may attain to Paradise; its dew will wash off your squalor, while what it exudes will render you fragrant; its support will afford rest after your toil, its crown will give you comfort, it will proffer you fruits in your hunger, fruits that purify those who partake of them; in your thirst it will provide for you a celestial draught, one that makes wise those who drink it.

"18. The man who abstained, with understanding, from wine, will the vines of paradise rush out to meet, all the more joyfully as each one stretches out and proffers him its clusters; or if any has lived a life of virginity, him too they welcome into their bosom, for the solitary such as has never lain in any bosom nor upon any bosom nor upon any marriage bed. 19. Those who have been crowned for our Lord's sake with the martyr's death by the sword shine out in glory there with their crowns
because their bodies despised the persecutors fire. Like stars they do blossom in Paradise."


"26. And if none who is defiled enter that place allow me to live by its enclosure residing in the shade."


Hymn IV

"3. Should you wish to climb up a tree, with its lower branches it will provide steps before your feet, eager to make you recline in its bosom above, on the couch of its upper branches. So arranged is the surface of these branches, bent low and cupped, while yet dense with flowers that they serve as a protective womb for whoever rests there 4. Who has ever beheld such a banquet in the very bosom of a tree, with fruit of every savor ranged for the hand to pluck.

Each type of fruit in due sequence approaches, each awaiting its turn: fruit to eat, and fruit to quench the thirst; to rinse the hands there is dew, and leaves to dry them with after- a treasure store which lacks nothing, whose Lord is rich in all things 5. Around the tree the air is limpid as the saints recline; below them are blossoms, above them are fruit; fruits serve as their sky, flowers as their earth. Who has ever heard of or seen a cloud of fruits providing shade for the head, or a garment of flowers spread out beneath the feet? 6. Such is the flowing brook of delights that, as one tree takes leave of you, the next one beckons to you; all of them rejoice that you should partake of the fruit of one and suck the juice of another, wash and cleanse yourself in the dew of yet a third; anoint yourself with the resin of one and breath another's fragrance, listen to the song of still another. Blessed is he who gave joy to Adam!

Hymn X

"6. There the abundant flow of their produce is ceaseless for each bears its own fruit, its neighbor, flowers. There the spring of delights open up and flow with wine, milk, honey and cream.

10. Each month's fruits and flowers posses individually their own particular treasures, but when these are cross fertilized, they multiply; when two neighboring flowers, each with its distinctive colour are crossed to become one, they produce a new colour. When fruits are thus crossed they create a new and beautiful offspring whose foliage is different 11. In Paradise the life cycle of trees resembles a necklance: when the fruits of the first are finished and plucked, then the second ones are ready, with a third species following them. Who has ever beheld autumnal fruits grasping the heels of the first fruits, just as jacob grasped hold of his brother's heal?

Hymn XI

" 1. The air of Paradise is a fountain of delight from which Adam sucked when he was young; its very breath, like a mother's breast, gave him nourishment in his childhood... 2. No harmful frost, no scorching heat is to be found in that blessed place of delight; it is a harbor of joys, a haven of pleasures; light and rejoicing have their home there; gathered there are to be found harps and lyres with shouts of Hosanna and the Church crying "Alleluia".


11 What need was there from that land a river should flow forth and divide itself except that the blessings of Paradise should be mingled by the means of water as it issues forth to irrigate the world, making clean its fountains12. Thus but us with another spring, full of perfumes which issue from Eden and penetrates into the atmosphere as a beneficial breeze by which our souls are stirred; our inhalation is healed by this healing breath from Paradise;

Hymn XV

"All this and similar things that I have read in the scriptures, have helped depict in my mind that Garden of Life; blessed is the person who is worthy to attain its enjoyment. May the Merciful One bring me to its fruits,may their taste give me life, or their scent strike me, or the radiance reach me or the dew bathe me!"

It is clear that the Koran’s heaven was directly plagiaries From the “Hymns On Paradise”. Some scholars have even suggested that the verse about those who remained virgins being welcomed into the (bosoms of women) is believed to be the origin of the Islamic houries/virgins in paradise. This is all that the Islamic heaven is, one 4th century Saint’s depiction of heaven and thus it become unbelievable since this saint never once claimed to have this divinely revealed to him. his hymns were nothing more than poetry and not deemed authoritative in any way by him. Why should we believe ina god who has to plagiarize his heaven from some hymns? But then again maybe St Ephrem was really a Muslim lol.
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Re: Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

Postby Deus_Vult on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:13 pm

The Companions of the cave:

In the Koran there is a tale called "the companions of the cave" about some youths who hide in a cave and sleep for hundreds of years


Surah Al-Kahf

09. Or dost thou reflect that the Companions of the Cave and of the Inscription were wonders among Our Sign? 10. When the youths took refuge in the Cave saying, 'Our lord, give us mercy from Thee, and furnish us with rectitude in our affair. 11. Then We draw (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the Cave, (so that they heard not); 12. Then We roused them, in order to test which of the two parties was best at calculating the term of years they had tarried! 13. We will relate to thee their tidings truly. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance. 14. And We strengthened their hearts, when they stood up and said, 'Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and earth; we will not call upon any god, apart from Him, or then we had spoken outrage.15. These our people have taken to them other gods, apart from Him. Ah, if only they would bring some clear authority regarding them! But who does greater evil than he who forges against 16. "When ye turn away from them and the things they worship other than Allah, betake yourselves to the Cave: Your Lord will shower His mercies on you and disposes of your affair towards comfort and ease." 17. Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.18.Thou wouldst have thought them awake, as they lay sleeping, while We turned them 'now to the right, now to the left,' and their dog 'stretching its paws on the threshold'. Hadst thou observed them surely thou wouldst have turned thy back on them in flight, and been filled with terror of them. 19. Such being their state, we raised them up (from sleep), that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have ye stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed perhaps a day, or part of a day." At length they all said, "Allah alone knows best how long ye have stayed here.... Now send ye then one of you with this money of yours to the town: let him find out which is the best food to be had and bring some to youthat ye may satisfy your hunger therewith: And let him behave with care and courtesy, and let him not inform any one about you. 20. "For if they should come upon you, they would stone you or force you to return to their cult, and in that case ye would never attain prosperity." 21. And even so We made them stumble upon some people, that they might know that God's promise is true, and that the Hour (day of judgment) -- there is no doubt of it. When they were contending among themselves of their affair then they said, 'Build over them a building; their Lord knows of them very well.' Said those who prevailed over their affair, 'We will raise over them a place of worship.' 22. Some say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; others say they were five, the dog being the sixth,- doubtfully guessing at the unknown; yet others say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say thou: "My Lord knoweth best their number; It is but few that know their real case." Enter not, therefore, into controversies concerning them, except on a matter that is clear, nor consult any of them about the affair of the Sleepers. 23. Nor say of anything, "I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow"- 24. Without adding, "So please Allah." and call thy Lord to mind when thou forgettest, and say, "I hope that my Lord will guide me ever closer even than this to the right road." 25. So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and some add nine more. 26. Say: "Allah knows best how long they stayed.



This entire tale was plagiarized from a Christian myth called the 7 sleepers of Ephesus first Recorded by Jacob of Suarag in the 5th century in Syriac and then translated into Latin by in the 6th century Gregory of Tours in his work "The Glory of the Martyrs" of which the following is an extract


Here is an account of seven brothers who are buried at Ephesus. During the reign of the Emperor Decius (249- 251 AD) , when there was a persecution against the Christians, seven men were captured and brought before the Emperor. These seven men were named Maximianus, Malchus, Martinianus, Constantinus, Dionysius, Johannes and Serapion. Although they were tempted by various suggestions to yield, they never acquiesced. Because of his regard for them, the Emperor granted them time to think, so that they would not die immediately. But the seven men shut themselves up in one cave, and they lived for many days. One of them would leave, purchase supplies, and bring back necessities. When the Emperor returned to Ephesus , the seven men requested of the Lord that he design to rescue them from this danger. They prayed, and while bowed to the ground they fell asleep. When the Emperor learned that they were staying in this cave, by the will of god he ordered that the mouth of the cave be blocked off with huge stones. He said "Let those who refuse to sacrifice to our gods die there" While this was being done, a Christian wrote the names of the martyrs on a lead tablet and secretly put it in the entrance of to the cave before it was blocked off. After many years had gone by and peace had been granted to the Churches, Theodosius II (408-450), a Christian became Emperor. The impure heresy of the Sadducees, who denied that there would be a resurrection, was spreading. Then a citizen of Ephesus who decided to use this mountain as a sheepfold for his flocks overturned stones for the construction of walls for his pens. Not knowing what happened within, he opened the entrance to the cave; but did not find the inner chamber that was further inside. The Lord sent the breath of life to the seven men and they awoke. Thinking that they had been asleep for only one night, they sent a young man from their number to purchase food. When the young man came to the gate of the city, he was surprised upon seeing an image of the glorious cross and hearing the people take oaths in the name of Christ. As soon as he presented the coins he had from the reign of Decius, a merchant seized him and said: "You have found a hoard that was buried years ago." The young man denied the accusation and was brought to the bishop and judge of the city who denounced him. Compelled by force the young man revealed a hidden mystery and brought them to the cave where the other men were. As the bishop entered he found a lead tablet on which everything had been recoded in writing. the bishop spoke with the men; then the bishop and the judge quickly announced the news to the Emperor Theodosius. The emperor came and they honored him by kneeling on the ground. The seven men spoke to the Emperor with these words: " A heresy has spread, glorious Augustus, that attempts to mislead Christian people from the promises of God by saying that there is no resurrection of the dead. Therefore because as you know we will all beheld responsible before the tribunal of Christ in accordance with what the apostle Paul wrote (II Corintians 5:10), the lord has ordered us to awake and say these things to you. Take care lest you be seduced and excluded from the kingdom." The Emperor Theodosius listened and glorified the lord who did not allow his people to perish. But the men again lay down and fell asleep ..Even today the men lie asleep in that spot, covered by cloaks made of silk or linen. The record of their suffering which with the assistance of a Syrian I translated into Latin gives a fuller account.


It is clear that Mohammad plagiarized The Companions of the cave from the earlier Christian tale, the 7 sleepers of Ephesus which is exactly the same but Mohammad changed it from being about Christians persecuted by the Romans for not following their gods to being about Muslims persecuted for not following pagan gods. From the Islamic perspective this tale makes no sense as the men came back to warn Theodosius II a Christian emperor of a heretical danger to Christianity which denied the day of resurrection but this is the very same religion that Mohammad would later denounce. So why Allah would want to protect it? this makes no sense so this is obviously why Mohammad removed it from its Christian context. The Incredibility of this tale is furthered by having the sleepers from the original tale quoting St Paul, who Muslims consider a false prophet. There is no way that the original tale fits with Islamic theology in any sense and as I have proven Mohammad twisted it to suit his own ends. But im sure muslims will say this version is corrupted and only the Koran has it right. If so bring some proof!


It is clear that Mohammad plagiarized many beliefs, teachings, doctrines and stories from Christianity. I have proven so conclusively and Muslims cant deny this irrefutable evidence. The Koran is not the word of any deity but of a 7th century Arabian plagiarist
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Re: Islam's Plagiarised Christian Origins

Postby John 10:10 on Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:52 pm

The strongest proof that God's true revelation and salvation message to man is written only in the pages of the Bible is found first in prophesy foretold many hundreds, sometimes thousands of years before it happened, then in prophesy fulfilled. All of time and history is centered around the Person who divided time between BC and AD. Our God is the only God who has a wound. His coming was prophesied many many times in the old covenant God gave to Abraham-Isaac-Jacob (Israel) and their families, and was fulfilled in the new covenant advent when the Word of God entered into the world He created as a babe in Mary's womb. Those who reject His-story, as did Muhammad, will fruitlessly try to find some other way to be reconciled to the God who is rather than thru Jesus Christ who now sits at God's right hand as Lord.

May the blessings of Christmas be yours for now and forevermore as we await His soon return.
John 14:6, "I (Jesus) am the Way (of life), the Truth (of life), and the Life (of life). No man comes to the Father (God) but by Me."
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